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A Bible Believer Responds To John Piper’s Call For Christians To Not Be Armed

Now to me, the son of a WWII and Korea vet, and the brother to a United States Marine, this sounds like perfectly sound and rational thought processes coming from the desk of Mr. Falwell. And certainly, as a parent, taking every precaution we can to keep our kids safe I am all in favor of both as a Christian and as an American citizen. But John Piper sees it otherwise.

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December 23, 2015

Geoffrey Grider

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So John Piper says it’s a sin to call the police when we are being threatened? I say that’s absolute hogwash, and so should you

“Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.” Romans 14:4,5 (KJV)

Yesterday the chancellor of Bethlehem College & Seminary, John Piper, published an article entitled “Should Christians Be Encouraged to Arm Themselves?” In the article he takes issue with Jerry Falwell, Jr. telling his students to go out and get their gun permits. Falwell said this:

“As the president of this university community of nearly 15,000 students and 7,000 faculty and staff, I take very seriously my responsibility to keep you safe in an increasingly dangerous world. That’s why in 2011 I asked our Board of Trustees to consider a concealed carry policy. It wasn’t because of Islamic terrorism, it was because what happened (just) up the road at Virginia Tech. More than 30 innocent students and faculty were murdered viciously and none of them had the ability to protect themselves. The day that happened, I thought we needed to do something different here at Liberty. We needed to have a way to protect our students, our faculty, so we instituted this free course in 2011. We were part of only a handful of schools in the United States that had taken that position at that time. Now many schools have followed suit. There are dozens and we have had 1,600 people take that course, 950 here now with concealed carry permits, and after I made those remarks on Friday we had 240 sign up for a course tomorrow night. I want to applaud you and thank you for taking steps to make our campus more safe. I recognize that not every one of you will (carry); it’s only for students 21 years and older.” source

Now to me, the son of a WWII and Korea vet, and the brother to a United States Marine, this sounds like perfectly sound and rational thought processes coming from the desk of Mr. Falwell. And certainly, as a parent, taking every precaution we can to keep our kids safe I am all in favor of both as a Christian and as an American citizen. But John Piper sees it otherwise. Here is an excerpt from his anti-gun article:

“As chancellor of Bethlehem College & Seminary, I want to send a different message to our students, and to the readers of Desiring God, than Jerry Falwell, Jr. sent to the students of Liberty University in a campus chapel service on December 4. The apostle Peter teaches us that Christians will often find themselves in societies where we should expect and accept unjust mistreatment without retaliation. The early church, as we see her in Acts, expected and endured persecution without armed resistance, but rather with joyful suffering, prayer, and the word of God. A natural instinct is to boil this issue down to the question, “Can I shoot my wife’s assailant?” source

That, in brief, is the essence of Piper’s position, and you can read the entire article here. So let me just add a few brief points from the Bible believer position that I think will help to shed some additional light on the matter.

John Piper’s misapplication of scripture: All through his article, he constantly says things like “Peter never fought back when mistreated”, and “the apostles endured persecution without retaliation”, and so on. Yes, those thing are true, but they need to be read in context. The reason why the apostles never fought back was because the punishments and afflictions they received were because of preaching the gospel specifically, and the Bible does say that in the course of witnessing for Jesus Christ hardships, perils and afflictions certainly will come. When we preach on the street, I have never hit back at any of the mistreatment we have received because when were are ministering we are specifically engaged in preaching the gospel. But I find no verses in the Bible that advise me to just “sit back and take it” when walking down a crowded city street and someone tries to mug me. So based on Piper’s misapplication of scripture, his advice to his daughter would be to “just take it” when attacked by a predator on a college campus or other gathering of people. See how silly his position suddenly becomes? No, the apostles, as seen below, suffered for a very specific cause, for the gospel’s sake, and as such took it without rebuttal. But I dare say that if some crazed lunatic tried to sexually assault Peter’s wife, the tough-as-nails Galilean fisherman would have thrust him through with his sword, and rightly so.
“And to him they agreed: and when they had called the apostles, and beaten them, they commanded that they should not speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name.” Acts 5:40 (KJV)
John Piper is not rightly dividing the Bible: Paul commands Timothy to “rightly divide” the scripture so that he will not make the mistake of trying to apply Bible verses written to the Jews and place them on the Church. In his article, Piper talks about “enduring to the end” from Matthew 24, a passage specifically written to Jews in the time of Jacob’s trouble. But Christians don’t “endure to the end” because we are 1). sealed until the day of redemption as found in Ephesians 1 & 4, and 2). we will not go through the time of Jacob’s trouble otherwise known as the Great Tribulation. “For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,” 1 Thessalonians 5:9 (KJV)
Many of his points are just ridiculous: One of his main theme points is that the christian should just “trust God” and everything will work itself out. The Bible believing Christian does trust God with the most important thing we have, and that is our souls. We trust Him to take us home to Heaven when we die, we place our eternal destiny in His hands alone. But until that day arrives, we live in a sin-cursed world that currently is ruled by the Devil! God gave us a brain for a reason, He wants us to do some thinking with it. Whenever we travel anywhere in a car, we always ask God to guide our path and get us to and from safely, right? But we also wear our seatbelts! I highly doubt that Piper and his whole family ride around in cars at high speeds unbelted. If Piper’s logic was followed to it’s natural conclusion seat belts would no longer be used because when using them our “faith would be in the seat belts” and not in God’s power to keep us safe. That’s just plain crazy. But yet Piper goes further still when he says that even calling the police when you are in danger “comes from a heart that is out of step with the mind of Christ. If one’s heart is controlled mainly by fear, or anger, or revenge, that sinful disposition may be expressed by using the police as well as taking up arms yourself.” So now it’s a sin to call the police when we are being threatened? Hogwash, and dangerous hogwash at that. “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” 1 Timothy 5:8 (KJV)

Conclusion: I honestly don’t know much about the ministry or beliefs of John Piper, I run in Bible believing circles and have not come across much if any of his work. But going on this particular article he has written, he comes across as an anti-gun liberal to me. God calls us to trust Him in all we do and with all we have, yet at the same time it is not a lack of faith to exercise and eat right to stay healthy. And it is not a lack of faith when we take common sense precautions to keep our loved ones safe in a sin-cursed world.

Famous media liberal, Geraldo Rivera, who almost always advocates for pacifism, nearly had a thermonuclear meltdown last month when his own daughter was near the Paris Muslim terror attacks. This is what he said:

“We need to respond by declaring war on them… if we don’t kill them, they’re going to kill us.” He offered specifics, calling for Russia, the U.S. and our Middle East Allies to join forces in a war against ISIS– even if have to drag the latter in “kicking and screaming.” “I want a massive ground campaign to conquer ISIS once and for all,” Rivera said. source

Lol, every liberal is a pacifist until the day their loved ones are threatened, then they want blood. John Piper is no different. If the evil he so carelessly tells us to “not worry about” and just “trust God” with ever came to land at his doorstep you can best believe his tune would change. Quickly.

If you try and make the Bible say Christians can’t have guns, then we can’t have seat belts either. If you were to ask my opinion on whether or not a Christian should buy a gun, I would give you the same answer I would give you with any other question you might ask. I will tell you to pray about it, and let God do the deciding.

“That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:” Ephesians 1:17 (KJV)

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NTEB RADIO BIBLE STUDY: What Every Christian Should Know About What Your King James Bible Has To Say About Politics And The Political Process

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November 3, 2024

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On this episode, we give you the gospel truth about what your King James Bible has to say about politics in the life of the Bible believing Christian.

Back in the 1980’s, a group called the Religious Right took over politics in Washington DC, attempting to ‘bring in the kingdom’ to the United States via the political process. Led by a man named Doug Coe who ran a group called ‘The Family’, this evangelical-political hybrid rose to power in very short order. Over forty years later, politics in Washington are darker and dirtier than they’ve ever been, and the kingdom is no where in sight. What went wrong? Well, they could have avoided a lot of headache and useless aggravation had they consulted a dime store King James Bible that has a whole lot to say about politics and the political process in the life of a Christian.

“And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.” Revelation 10:11 (KJB)

On this episode of Rightly Dividing, America is exactly 48 hours away from electing their next president, and the tension is as thick as anyone can ever recall. All you read about these days is politics and what’s going on in our political process. The Democrats and the Republicans could not possibly be more far apart, but why is no one consulting the Holy Bible to see what God has to say about politics? Because He has plenty to say, and if we would but listen to His counsel, it would save us a lot time and effort trying to build something God is only going to tear down. On this episode, we give you the gospel truth about what your King James Bible has to say about politics in the life of the Bible believing Christian.

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NTEB SUNDAY SERVICE: What Does The Murder Of Peanut The Squirrel And Pro-Abortion Street Dancers In Washington DC Have In Common? Evil Days.

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We are living in evil days, a time where the spirit of the coming Antichrist is infecting every avenue of our society here in America as well as on a global level.

In New York, Democrats reported to police about a man and a woman who had committed the horrible crime of rescuing a baby squirrel they named Peanut who had lost its mother, and decided to keep it as a pet. New York being a blue state, in short order a SWAT team was sent in to capture Peanut, and he was swiftly killed with Orwellian efficiency. In Washington, DC, hundreds of women danced joyously in the streets, ecstatic at the prospect of a Kamala Harris presidency that will provide them access to unlimited and endless abortion. Do you know what time it is? You do if you have a King James Bible.

“Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.” Ephesians 5:16 (KJB)

We are living in evil days, a time where the spirit of the coming Antichrist is infecting every avenue of our society here in America as well as on a global level. Why on Earth would armed government agents be dispatched to go arrest a squirrel, holding its owners at gunpoint for hours while every square inch of their home was searched? Before you answer that, answer me this. Having ransacked the home home and arresting Peanut, why would the squirrel then have to be killed? To send you a message, that’s why. “And 10 to 12 DEC officers raided my house as if I was a drug dealer. I sat outside my house for five hours. I had to get a police escort to my bathroom,” Longo said. “I wasn’t even allowed to feed my rescue horses breakfast or lunch. I sat there like a criminal after they interrogated my wife to check out her immigration status.”

This is what life in Kamala Harris’ America will look and feel like, this is the “joy” they are spreading, how’s it sound to you? Today I bring you a message on the rapidly-darkening and evil days we are currently living in, and it’s about to get worse. Follow Bethany Baptist Church on Facebook.

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Bibles Behind Bars Has Been Asked To Help Rebuild The Inmate Reading Library At The Jefferson County Jail In Wisconsin, And The Books Are On Their Way

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Right now we have a record 8 jails and prisons who have reached out to us, asking for our help to stock their ministries with King James Bibles, and we are hard at work to make that happen. One of those places, the Jefferson County Jail in Wisconsin, needs help rebuilding their inmate reading library. Today we shipped out 3 large boxes of a wide variety and assortment of titles we stock here at the Bookstore, books that teach and preach Bible doctrine. What a blessing!

“So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.” Nehemiah 8:8 (KJB)

As the Bibles Behind Bars program, now in it’s third year, continues to grow and expand, it is also maturing. Where we once only sent out full King James Bibles, we are now also supplying detention centers with New Testaments, scripture portions, books like “What Must I Do To Be Saved?”, and gospel tracts. By the first quarter of 2025, Lord willing, we should hit the 500,000 mark on our way to one million pieces of gospel literature sent out through this ministry! All made possible through your fervent prayers and steadfast financial support.

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In addition to helping to rebuild the Jefferson County Jail inmate library, we are also raising support for the Indian River Correctional Institute, Salem Correctional Center & Jail, Garza West Unit, Dominguez State Jail, Farmington Correctional Center, and the Craven County Sheriff Detention Center. About 2,500 Bibles in all as well as one case each of “What Must I Do To Be Saved?” If God has prospered you, please take a moment to click on our online donate link to send us support. We need to raise about $10,000 to send out all these Bibles. If you wish to send a year-end gift and need a 501 C3 Letter of Donation for tax purposes, you can send a check to NTEB Ministries 1340 N Great Neck Rd. Ste. 1272-129 Virginia Beach, VA 23454.

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